TED演講者：JR / JR

演講標(biāo)題：Why art is a tool for hope / 為什么藝術(shù)是帶來希望的工具

內(nèi)容概要：Famed for enormous black-and-white portraits that are pasted on surfaces ranging from the Louvre to the US-Mexico border wall, multimedia artist JR continues to tackle ambitious projects. In this powerfully moving talk, he shares how he made a giant mural on the courtyard floor of a maximum-security prison -- with the help of guards and prisoners alike -- and ended up with much more than a compelling image.

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成名于巨型黑白畫像，貼在從盧浮宮到美墨邊境，多媒體藝術(shù)家 JR 繼續(xù)進(jìn)行雄心勃勃的項(xiàng)目。在這個(gè)有力的感人演講中，他分享了他是怎么在一所高強(qiáng)度安全監(jiān)獄的院子里——在囚犯和警衛(wèi)的幫助下——做了一個(gè)巨大的貼畫，而且最終得到的不僅僅是一個(gè)引人注目的圖片。

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【1】Wow, wow, people.

哇,哇,這么多人。

【2】You know, actually, I love people because my work is about people.

你知道嗎,其實(shí),我喜歡人們, 因?yàn)槲业墓ぷ骶褪顷P(guān)于大家的,

【3】It's actually about bringing people together.

我的事業(yè)致力于將大家團(tuán)結(jié)起來。

【4】I'm an artist.

我是一位藝術(shù)家,

【5】I mean, until I found a real job, but now it looks like it's getting pretty serious.

我是說,在我找到正式工作前, 但現(xiàn)在看來 我這份事業(yè)好像越來越像樣了。

【6】But, you know, I also love walls.

但是,你知道嗎,我也喜歡墻。

【7】And I know that walls are supposed to divide us, but I think I've found a way to use walls to bring us together.

我知道墻壁原本是 為了將我們分開而存在, 但我想我找到了一個(gè)方法 去用墻壁來讓我們走到一起。

【8】And I've tried this in different places.

我還在其他的地方試了這個(gè)方法。

【9】This was in Israel, Palestine, 15 years ago, where, with my friend Marco, I took photos of Israeli and Palestinian doing the same job and then pasted them on Israeli city and Palestinian city, and people couldn't even recognize who is who.

這堵墻位于以色列, 巴勒斯坦,15年前, 在那里,與我的朋友馬可一起, 我拍下了以色列和巴勒斯坦人 在做同樣的工作, 而后將這些照片張貼在 以色列和巴勒斯坦的城市里, 人們根本分別不出彼此的身份。

【10】This was in the favelas of Brazil.

這是巴西的貧民窟。

【11】Faces of women on the hills of the community.

一張張女性的面孔 在社區(qū)的山坡上清晰可見。

【12】Often the first target of the violence that is happening there.

她們往往是那里發(fā)生 暴力事件的首要目標(biāo)。

【13】This is a local museum we have in Paris, it's called the Louvre.

這是巴黎當(dāng)?shù)氐牟┪镳^, 它叫盧浮宮。

【14】I don't know if you've heard about it, but I thought I'd give it a shout out.

我不知道各位有沒有聽說過, 但我覺得我得再宣傳下。

【15】And with 400 people and paper and glue, we wheat-pasted the entire plazas to make the pyramid ten times bigger.

與四百人一起用紙和膠水, 我們將整個(gè)廣場(chǎng)貼了起來, 讓那個(gè)金字塔看起來大了十倍。

【16】This was at the border between Mexico and US.

這是美國(guó)和墨西哥的邊境。

【17】Thank you.

謝謝。

【18】Kikito, the little kid, is one year old, and he lives in the little house you see on the top left of the image.

基基托,這個(gè)孩子,一歲大, 他住在圖片左上方的那個(gè)小房子里。

【19】I just wonder, at his age, what is his perspective on the wall?

我在想,以他年齡的視角 是怎么看這堵墻的？

【20】You know, each time I do a project, I wonder: Can art change the world?

你們知道嗎,每次我做一個(gè)項(xiàng)目, 我都在想:藝術(shù)可以改變世界嗎？

【21】And I never really know how a projects starts.

而且我從來不知道 一個(gè)項(xiàng)目是怎么開始的。

【22】Couple years ago, I was making breakfast and a friend of mine called me.

幾年前,我在做早飯, 一個(gè)朋友給我打了電話。

【23】Friend Saul, he says, "JR, you love walls.

我的朋友索羅, 他說:“JR,你喜歡墻。

【24】Why don't you do a project in prison?"

要不去監(jiān)獄里做個(gè)項(xiàng)目？”

【25】I was like, you know, I was just, "Dude, you know, I would do it, but it's too much paperwork administrative, bureaucracy.

我是這樣的, “伙計(jì),你知道的,我會(huì)去做, 但是太多文書工作, 關(guān)于行政和政府。

【26】Plus, I've been arrested 15 times, they don't want me in there."

還有,我已經(jīng)被捕 15 次了, 他們不會(huì)讓我進(jìn)去的。”

【27】And he was like, "I know, bro, but you love walls so much, what you would do in there.

而后他說:“我知道,伙計(jì), 但你那么喜歡墻, 你在里面會(huì)做什么呢。

【28】If you could do it, what could you do?"

假如說你可以去做, 你會(huì)做些什么呢？”

【29】I was like, "OK, you know what?"

我是這么想的:“好吧,你知道嗎？”

【30】I had an idea.

我有一個(gè)點(diǎn)子。

【31】If I wanted to finish my poached eggs and my, you know, French toast before it gets cold, I had to get rid of him.

如果我想在我的荷包蛋 和法式吐司冷掉前,吃完它們, 我一定得把我這位朋友打發(fā)了。

【32】So I told him, "You know what, I'll paste the entire prison."

所以我告訴他:“你想知道嗎, 我要將整個(gè)監(jiān)獄貼滿。”

【33】He was like, "Wow, that's amazing."

他說:“哇,了不起的主意。”

【34】He hung up the phone, I thought I'd never hear from him for two decades.

他掛了電話, 我想當(dāng)然 他二十年都不會(huì)聯(lián)系我了。

【35】He called his friend Scott, who was like, "What's up?"

他打電話給他的朋友斯科特, “怎么了？”

【36】Saul is like, "I spoke to JR, he's down to do a project in prison."

索羅說:“我和 JR 說過了, 他同意去監(jiān)獄做一個(gè)項(xiàng)目。”

【37】Scott's like, "That's amazing, let me call the governor."

斯科特說:“太棒了, 讓我給州長(zhǎng)打個(gè)電話。”

【38】Hung up the phone, called the governor.

他掛掉電話,打給州長(zhǎng)。

【39】Governor was like, "Who's this JR?"

州長(zhǎng)這么說的:“JR 是誰？”

【40】'"He does black and white, and, you know, he takes photos of people, he records their story ..."

“他做黑白藝術(shù), 還有,你知道的,他給別人照相, 他記錄他們的故事......”

【41】'"I'm sorry, I've never heard of it."

“抱歉,從來沒有聽說過他。”

【42】'"Yes, there's very large murals."

“好吧,就是做很大的壁畫。”

【43】And the governor was like, "Wait, wait, wait.

而后州長(zhǎng)說:“等等等等。”

【44】Before I was the governor, I was in a mural.

在我當(dāng)州長(zhǎng)前, 我在一個(gè)壁畫里。

【45】There were 1,300 people, each one of them recorded their story, and I was one of them.

那里有 1300 人, 每個(gè)人都記錄下了 他們的故事,我就是其中一員。

【46】Is that the same artist?"

這是同一個(gè)藝術(shù)家嗎？

【47】The guy said, "Yes, that's the same artist."

那個(gè)人就說:“是的, 就是同一個(gè)藝術(shù)家。“

【48】'"Give him full clearance for every prison in the state of California."

”給他加利福尼亞州 所有監(jiān)獄的完全許可。”

【49】Calls me back.

電話打回給我。

【50】Next thing you know, I'm on Google Earth, and there's 35 prisons.

下一件事,我在谷歌地球上, 而后那有35個(gè)監(jiān)獄。

【51】I'm looking at them and I'm like, well, first of all, I'm a wallpaper man.

我在開它們?nèi)缓笪以谙?好吧,首先,我是一個(gè)貼墻紙的人。

【52】I cannot paste if I don't have my clear surface.

我不能貼,如果沒有找到 一個(gè)干凈的表面。

【53】So that doesn't work, that doesn't work, that doesn't work.

所以這個(gè)不行, 這個(gè)不行,這個(gè)不行。

【54】The yard is made of sand and grass.

院子是沙子和草做的,

【55】I cannot do it.

我做不了。

【56】I know nothing about prisons.

我根本不了解監(jiān)獄。

【57】So then I see this one and I'm like, "Wait, can we zoom in this one?"

所以當(dāng)我看到這個(gè)監(jiān)獄時(shí)我說, “等等,我們可以把這個(gè)放大嗎？”

【58】I'm like, "Oh, actually, you know what?

我說:“噢,其實(shí),你知道嗎？

【59】The yard here in the center looks like it's concrete.

這個(gè)在中間的院子 看起來像水泥。

【60】I could work on that."

我可以在這試試。”

【61】'"Look, JR, that's a supermax security prison."

聽著,JR, 那是一個(gè)高級(jí)警戒的監(jiān)獄。

【62】It's called Tehachapi, it's actually in the top five of the most violent prisons.

稱作特哈查比（Tehachapi）, 它其實(shí)全美第五危險(xiǎn)的監(jiān)獄。

【63】I was like, "That will do it."

然后我說:“那沒問題。”

【64】The next day, we flew there.

第二天,我們飛到那里。

【65】We arrived there, and of course, you know, it's not that easy to get there.

我們到了那里, 而且,當(dāng)然,你知道的, 進(jìn)去不簡(jiǎn)單。

【66】It's like fences, electric fences, walls.

它有柵欄、電圍欄、墻。

【67】And you add more walls and more people that check your IDs.

而后你加上更多的墻 和更多檢查你證件的人。

【68】I get all the way to the yard.

我一直走到了到院子里,

【69】And it looked like some army guy with bulletproof jackets and heavily armed who say, "Alright, this is going to be very simple.

而后看起來是一個(gè)軍人 全副武裝和穿著防彈夾克。 他說,“好的,這事很簡(jiǎn)單。

【70】There's some people waiting for you in a gymnasium.

有些人在體育館里等你,

【71】We gathered some inmates.

我們召集了一些囚犯。

【72】You cannot approach them, you cannot touch them.

你不可以靠近他們, 你不可以觸碰他們。

【73】You can sit at the chair that we designed for you, and we're going to surround the area of the gymnasium."

你可以坐在我們 給你指定的椅子上, 而后我們會(huì)包圍整個(gè)體育館。”

【74】That sounds fun.

這聽起來很有趣。

【75】I enter the room, and we do this thing in France, I don't know if you have that, but you shake people's hand, you know?

我進(jìn)入房間, 然后我們?cè)诜▏?guó)做這件事, 我不知道你們有沒有, 但你和別人握手,知道嗎？

【76】So I started shaking people's hands, "Hello, how are you? My name is JR.

所以我開始和別人握手, “嗨,你好嗎？我叫 JR 。

【77】What's your name?"

你叫什么名字？”

【78】And go around the table, and then I sat.

繞過桌子,然后我坐了下來,

【79】And I spoke with them.

然后我跟他們講了話。

【80】A lot of them have been there since they were teenagers, some of them even from the age of 13.

他們有很多人 從少年時(shí)代就在里面了, 有些 13 歲就進(jìn)來了。

【81】And I've never seen anything like it.

我從來沒見過那種場(chǎng)面,

【82】And so I told them about my art and about the idea.

所以我向他們 介紹了我的藝術(shù)和想法,

【83】And they asked me a question, they said, "But what is the purpose of your art?"

然后他們問了我一個(gè)問題: “但你的藝術(shù)有什么意義嗎？”

【84】Well, you know, that's a good question.

這是個(gè)好問題。

【85】I don't know if I can answer before, you know, trying a project.

我不知道我是否能在嘗試 這個(gè)項(xiàng)目之前就給你答案,

【86】So I explained them an idea, and I said, "Wait, before we start anything, I just want you to know, if there's anyone here in this room that by being in this project, you might offend some of your victims outside,

所以我給他們解釋了想法,我說, “等下,在我們開始之前, 我想你們知道, 如果這個(gè)房間里有任何人, 在做這個(gè)項(xiàng)目的時(shí)候, 會(huì)冒犯到你的受害者,

【87】I'm not your guy.

那么我不建議你參與,

【88】I'm going to get too much attention for you.

我會(huì)給你招來太多的關(guān)注。

【89】If I were you, don't participate in this project."

如果我是你, 我不會(huì)參加這個(gè)項(xiàng)目。”

【90】Six or seven guys stood up and left the room.

六七個(gè)人站了起來, 然后離開了房間。

【91】I was like, "Alright."

我說:“好的。”

【92】So we kept on going and I started photographing them.

然后我們繼續(xù)進(jìn)行, 我開始給他們照相。

【93】Very simple, it's just a small part of the process.

很簡(jiǎn)單,這只是過程中 很小的一部分。

【94】I'm not really a photographer.

我不是一個(gè)真正的攝影師,

【95】That's just one part that I use, and I get to meet them and talk with them.

那只是我藝術(shù)的一部分, 而且我能見到他們并與他們說話。

【96】And each of them started explaining me their story, where they grew up, where they come from, how many years, some of them spent decades in this prison.

然后他們每個(gè)人都開始 向我解釋他們的故事。 他們?cè)谀睦镩L(zhǎng)大的, 他們是從哪里來的, 在這個(gè)監(jiān)獄里呆了多少年, 有的人呆了好幾十年。

【97】And the thing is that, I told them, I said, "Look, this photo is nothing.

事情是這樣的, 我告訴他們,我說, “其實(shí),這個(gè)照片不代表什么。

【98】I need you to go in the next room.

我需要你到旁邊的房間了。

【99】I'm going to leave a mic there.

我會(huì)把一個(gè)麥克風(fēng)放在那里,

【100】And I want you to record your story from the beginning.

然后我希望 你從頭錄下你的故事。”

【101】I want to understand, you have to talk like, if you're throwing a bottle in the ocean, I want to understand where you come from.

我想要了解, 你必須像, 往海里丟一個(gè)漂流瓶一樣, 我想要了解你是從哪來的。

【102】And then what brought you to make that crime that led you to prison.

而后什么導(dǎo)致你犯了罪, 結(jié)果導(dǎo)致你進(jìn)了監(jiān)獄。

【103】And if you changed, explain how you changed and why."

然后如果你有所改變, 解釋你怎么改變的和為什么。”

【104】They all went, some stayed for 10 minutes, some stayed for 20, 30 minutes.

他們都講了,有的呆了十分鐘, 有的呆了20、30分鐘。

【105】Some of them were crying in that place.

有的人在那里哭了。

【106】Then I went back to my studio and that's what we do.

然后我回到了我的工作室, 然后我們是這么做的。

【107】We print strips of paper like a giant puzzle, so we have to combine it together.

我們打印出長(zhǎng)條的紙, 像一個(gè)巨大的拼圖, 所以我們要把它們拼到一起。

【108】It's all just paper and glue.

都只是紙和膠水。

【109】And then we combine them by numbers, and then we went back there.

然后我們用數(shù)字把他們組合到一起, 然后我們回到了那里。

【110】And we started bringing everybody in the yard.

我開始把所有人都帶到院子里,

【111】And we started pasting.

而后我們開始貼。

【112】Everyone from every gang, every race, participated.

所有人從每個(gè)幫派, 每個(gè)種族,都參加了。

【113】Now, the thing is, we're still in a supermax security prison.

現(xiàn)在,事情是這樣的, 我們還是在一個(gè)高度警戒的監(jiān)獄。

【114】So the guards were like, "Look, we love you with your paper and stuff, but we're going to count everything you brought in, and we're going to make sure you leave with everything out.

所以那些守衛(wèi)說, “聽著,我們喜歡你, 還有你的紙啊什么的, 但你帶來在這么多東西 要把我們逼瘋了, 我們得保證你走的時(shí)候, 把所有的東西都帶出去。

【115】So every hour we're going to stop this whole project and make sure there's not one scissors missing, one brush, one, you know, bucket, anything."

所以每個(gè)小時(shí),我們會(huì)暫停整個(gè)項(xiàng)目 來確保沒有任何一個(gè)剪刀失蹤, 任何一個(gè)刷子,你知道的, 一個(gè)桶,所有的東西。”

【116】So we went through the process, and I had planned two to three days to paste the whole thing.

我們繼續(xù)這個(gè)過程, 我計(jì)劃用兩到三天時(shí)間 來貼整個(gè)東西。

【117】Those guys were so motivated, that in literally two or three hours we had done it.

這些人十分有動(dòng)力, 在只有兩到三個(gè)小時(shí), 他們就干完了。

【118】So I said, "Wait, stop, guys, they're going to bring you back to your cell, give me a second.

所以我說,:“大家等等,停下, 他們會(huì)把你們帶回牢房, 給我一秒。

【119】I'm going to try to get some guards to paste with us."

我去試試能不能叫警衛(wèi)一起來貼。”

【120】And they were like, look, "We love utopianism and stuff, but that's where it stops."

然后他們說, 我們喜歡烏托邦主義, 但到此為止吧。”

【121】'"No, just give me a second."

“不,給我一秒鐘。”

【122】So I start going to the guards and I say, "Hey, do you mind participating?"

所以我往守衛(wèi)那里走,然后我說 “嗨,你們介意參加嗎？”

【123】Fifty "no," one guy said "yes."

五十個(gè)“不”,和一個(gè)“好”。

【124】I say, "Cool, come with me.

我說,“好的,跟我來。

【125】They're going to show you."

他們會(huì)告訴你怎么做。”

【126】And then another guard and another guard.

然后警衛(wèi)一個(gè)接著一個(gè)。

【127】And that's where the real walls were falling down, because there's no communication between those guards and the inmates.

然后那一刻真正的墻開始瓦解, 因?yàn)樵诰l(wèi)和囚犯間沒有交流。

【128】And you know what?

還有你知道嗎？

【129】From the floor, it was so big we couldn't see it anyway.

在地上,它太大了, 我們根本看不見,

【130】You had to send a drone.

我們得用一個(gè)無人機(jī)。

【131】So remember, again, you're in a supermax security prison.

而且記住, 我們還在一個(gè)高度警戒監(jiān)獄,

【132】It's geofencing.

它是禁飛的。

【133】So we send in the drone, those guys have never seen a drone their whole life, they were more excited about the drone than the whole project.

所以我們送出了無人機(jī), 這些家伙醫(yī)生中都沒有見過無人機(jī), 比起整個(gè)項(xiàng)目他們對(duì)無人機(jī)更激動(dòng)。

【134】And I was so scared because I was like, "I hope we did the puzzle right.

而且我很害怕因?yàn)? 我希望我們拼對(duì)了拼圖,

【135】Because if not, it's going to look a bit ugly from up there."

因?yàn)槿绻麤]有的話, 從上面看會(huì)有些難看。

【136】And that's what you see from up there.

這是你從上面看到的。

【137】Thank you.

謝謝。

【138】The whole yard, all their faces.

整個(gè)院子,都是他們的臉。

【139】And when you zoom in, actually, you see the picnic table, you can still see, it looks like a hole, but it's actually an illusion.

當(dāng)年放大時(shí),其實(shí), 你可以看見野餐桌子。 你還看得見,他看起來像一個(gè)洞, 但它其實(shí)是一個(gè)錯(cuò)覺,

【140】And you see the guys walking on it.

然后你看見有人在上面走。

【141】Now, the craziest part of all of it is because of that crazy permit that I had, I literally walked in without being searched.

最瘋狂的事情是 因?yàn)槲矣羞@個(gè)瘋狂的許可, 我要看直接走進(jìn)去而不必被搜查。

【142】I had my phone on me.

我有我的手機(jī),

【143】So I started filming in there and posting it on social media.

所以我開始錄像 然后把它們放到社交媒體上,

【144】So this guy there was showing me his tattoo on day one.

這個(gè)人從第一天起 就向我展示了他的紋身。

【145】And then the evening, he called his family and they said, "We saw you on JR's Instagram.

然后那天晚上,他給他家里打電話, 而后他的家人說, “我們 JR 的 Instagram 上看到你了。

【146】It's incredible, we see what you guys are doing."

太不可思議了, 我們看到你們?cè)谧鍪裁础！?/p>

【147】He was so proud the next day he said, "JR, do you mind me showing my diplomas?"

他很自豪,第二天他說, “JR ,你介意 展示一下我的畢業(yè)證書嗎？”

【148】They started realizing the impact of suddenly having a connection with the outside.

他們忽然開始意識(shí)到 他們能與外界 產(chǎn)生聯(lián)系。

【149】Then this guy showed up.

而后這個(gè)人來了,

【150】His name is Kevin.

他的名字叫凱文。

【151】You know, when I saw him, I was like, "Whoa."

你知道嗎,當(dāng)我看都他的時(shí)候 我在想,“天啊。”

【152】In my life, I'll never have a second chance to ask a guy, hopefully, why he has a fucking swastika on his face.

在我的一生里,我希望我不會(huì)有 第二次機(jī)會(huì)去問一個(gè)人, 為什么他的臉上有一個(gè)納粹標(biāo)志。

【153】And so I ask him, and he was like, "Oh, this?"

然后我問他, 然后他說,“哦,這個(gè)？”,

【154】Almost like he forgot about it.

好像他忘了一樣。

【155】He was like, "I did this as a gang thing when I went in prison.

他說:“當(dāng)我剛進(jìn)監(jiān)獄時(shí), 我加入一個(gè)幫派紋的。

【156】But now, if I could, I would remove it."

但現(xiàn)在,如果我可以, 我想把它去掉。”

【157】I was like, "OK, do you mind if I take a photo and I share it?"

我說:“好的,你介意 我照張照片然后分享一下嗎？”

【158】He's like, "Yeah, sure."

他說:“耶,好的。”

【159】I share that photo.

我分享了那張照片。

【160】Now, as you can imagine, on social media, a lot of people were as shocked and offended as I was.

當(dāng)然,你可以想象,在社交媒體, 很多人像我一樣很震驚 和被冒犯到。

【161】But a lot of people were like, "That's strange, because that doesn't connect with the beauty in his eyes and the humanity in him."

但有很多人會(huì)說:“很奇怪, 因?yàn)樗募y身 配不上他眼中的美好, 和他的人性。”

【162】So I went back to him and I said, "Look, Kevin, there's this thing called social media.

所以我回到他那 然后我說:“聽著,凱文, 有這個(gè)東西叫社交媒體。

【163】I know you've been here too long and you don't know about this, but people are writing comments, I'm going to read them to you.

我知道你在監(jiān)獄了太長(zhǎng)時(shí)間 你不知道這個(gè), 但是很多人給我寫評(píng)論,我把它們都讀給你。

【164】And I think some of them you should answer.

而且我想你應(yīng)該回答一些問題。

【165】So we started talking, and I did many and many videos and asking him again and again, and he responded and he went deeper and deeper.

所以我們開始交談, 而且我拍了很多視頻, 然后問了他一遍又一遍, 然后他回答了, 而且他說得越來越深入。

【166】And it started a chain of people who were like, "Let's get this tattoo out of his face."

然后有一連串的人開始說: “讓我們把他臉上的紋身去掉。”

【167】So now before we revealed the image that you saw, I didn't want to throw it to the world like that.

現(xiàn)在,在我們展示照片前, 我不想把它像這樣放到世界里。

【168】For now, only the inmates and I have seen it.

現(xiàn)在,只有犯人和我能看見。

【169】We started an app where you can actually go in, it's totally free, and you can go and click on any face and hear their story for as much as they want.

我們做了一個(gè) APP,你可以登進(jìn)去, 它是完全免費(fèi)的, 而且你可以點(diǎn)擊 任何一張臉來聽他們的故事, 想聽多少都可以。

【170】I wonder, you know, I've seen it.

我在想,你知道,我看見過。

【171】I saw people telling me that they heard story, and like a podcast.

我看到很多人告訴我, 他們聽過故事,像一個(gè)廣播電臺(tái)。

【172】But I wonder, how would they feel about it?

但是我想,他們會(huì)怎么想呢？

【173】You know, I wanted the feedback from them.

你知道,我想他們的反饋。

【174】So I got a permit to go back into prison.

所以我拿到了回到監(jiān)獄的許可。

【175】And this time I said, let me work on some more walls, I'll find an idea.

這次我說,讓我再在墻上做些工作, 我會(huì)找到一個(gè)點(diǎn)子。

【176】So I go back in there and I started working on the walls, but it was really, the excuse was like, I need to speak to you guys.

所以我回到那里 然后我開始在墻上做工作, 但實(shí)際上,這是個(gè)借口, 我需要跟那些人說話。

【177】So I said, "What happened, guys?"

所以我說:“發(fā)生什么事了,各位？”

【178】They were like, "Well, what do you mean, what happened?"

他們說:“你什么意思,發(fā)生了什么事？”

【179】I was like, "I was on the outside, I couldn't speak to you guys.

我說:“我在外面,我不能和你們說話。

【180】What was the impact inside?"

在里面有什么影響嗎？”

【181】'"Oh, the impact inside is pretty simple.

“哦,在里面的影響挺簡(jiǎn)單的。

【182】Let me tell you for myself, I mean, my daughter never visited me in 14 years.

讓我講一下我自己, 我女兒十四年來從來沒有見過我。

【183】And now she sat in her bedroom, and she listened to my audio, and now she sees me every week."

然后現(xiàn)在她坐在她的臥室, 而且在聽我的音頻。 現(xiàn)在她每周來看我。”

【184】He says, "You can ask whoever you want of those guys here, and they'll tell you the same story."

他說,:“你可以問 任何一個(gè)你想問的人, 然后他們都會(huì)告訴你同樣的故事。”

【185】And he told me another thing happened.

而后他還告訴我另一件事情發(fā)生了。

【186】'"Is that the guards started listening to our stories.

“守衛(wèi)開始聽我們的故事,

【187】They treat us differently now."

他們對(duì)待我不同了。”

【188】Then we started seeing the walls falling down.

我們開始看見墻開始倒塌了。

【189】So I left a little souvenir in the courtyard.

所以我留下了一個(gè) 小小的紀(jì)念品。

【190】I was like, "Let me make one more wall disappear before I go."

我說:“讓我在走之前 再讓一堵墻消失。”

【191】So we pasted the mountains from behind the wall on the wall.

所以我開始在“墻外墻”上貼了座山,

【192】And it's still there, actually.

而且它其實(shí)還在那。

【193】This one is still in level four, which is the supermax security prison.

這還是在那個(gè)級(jí)別四, 就是一個(gè)高級(jí)警戒的監(jiān)獄。

【194】And they told me in winter it becomes all snowy.

而且他們告訴我在冬天會(huì)下雪,

【195】And so you actually don't tell the difference between the reality and the wall.

所以你看不出 墻和現(xiàn)實(shí)的差別。

【196】Now, Kevin was still in prison, so I visited him again.

現(xiàn)在,凱文還在監(jiān)獄里, 所以我又去拜訪他。

【197】And something had changed in him.

然后他有些改變。

【198】He was already helping others, and, you know, you could tell that he almost had forgotten about his tattoo, even if it was still there, because you cannot remove tattoos in prison.

他總是在幫助其他人, 而且,你知道,你可以看得出, 他基本已經(jīng)忘了他的紋身, 盡管它還在那, 因?yàn)樵诒O(jiān)獄里不能去掉紋身。

【199】So I bought him a book, and I told him, "Look, there's a swastika on the cover, I thought you would like it."

所以我給他買了一本書, 然后我告訴他: “看這上面有納粹標(biāo)志, 我認(rèn)為你會(huì)喜歡它。”

【200】And he laughed.

然后他笑了。

【201】But I said, "No, seriously, this is our friend, Art Spiegelman, who wrote it, and he told the story about his family in the Holocaust."

但我說:“不,真的, 這個(gè)我的朋友, 阿特.斯皮格曼 （Art Spiegelman）寫的, 他講了他和他的家庭在 大屠殺中的故事。”

【202】And so that night he went and read the book.

然后那天晚上他去讀了那本書,

【203】And he was really moved.

他十分感動(dòng)。

【204】He called his mom and he said, "Mom, those French people brought me this book that talks about the Holocaust."

他給他的母親打了電話,說, “媽媽,那些法國(guó)人給我買了本書, 講述大屠殺的。”

【205】And she said, "But you stupid moron.

而后她說:“但是你個(gè)白癡。

【206】Your family was from Poland.

你家人來自波蘭,

【207】They were hiding Jews.

他們幫助猶太人逃難,

【208】They died in Auschwitz because of protecting them.

他們因保護(hù)猶太人死在了奧斯威辛,

【209】And you go in prison and do this on your face?"

然后你進(jìn)了監(jiān)獄, 還在你的臉上紋了這個(gè)？”

【210】He was in shock.

他很震驚。

【211】Couple years later, which is a couple months ago, he came out.

幾年后,也就是幾個(gè)月前, 他出獄了。

【212】Like many others from the project, almost all of them got moved to a lower-security prison, and one third of them got freed because of having good grades and notes by the guards after the project.

像其他做這個(gè)項(xiàng)目的人, 幾乎所有人都被換到 低警戒的監(jiān)獄, 他們中三分之一都出獄了, 因?yàn)樗麄儽憩F(xiàn)良好, 還有警衛(wèi)在做完項(xiàng)目后 給予的評(píng)價(jià)。

【213】So Kevin went out, and the first thing he did was to go up that hill that he looked at for 17 years, to look down at the prison that he was staying in.

所以凱文出來了, 然后他做的第一件事情 就是爬到他看了 17 年的山上, 來看他呆的監(jiān)獄。

【214】And then the second thing, as I promised him, I took him to a doctor to remove his tattoo.

然后第二件事,我答應(yīng)他的, 我?guī)チ艘粋€(gè)醫(yī)生 去去除他的紋身。

【215】And the session started with the laser, and it's very painful.

開始的時(shí)候用的激光, 而且很痛苦。

【216】And at the end of it, the doctor removed the laser and she told him, "Well, who's better than a Jewish doctor to remove your swastika?"

在結(jié)束的時(shí)候,醫(yī)生拿開了 激光然后說, “還有誰比一個(gè)猶太醫(yī)生更好 來清除你的納粹標(biāo)志呢？”

【217】And that's him now.

這是他現(xiàn)在。

【218】You know, we really tried to bring him here.

你知道嗎,我們想把他帶過來。

【219】But his parole officer, who is actually really nice, he said "JR, you're pushing too much.

但是他的假釋官,一個(gè)很好的人, 他說,“JR,你做得夠多了。

【220】He's not going to Canada.

他不會(huì)去加拿大的。

【221】Sorry about this."

抱歉。”

【222】But he knows I'm here talking about it.

但他知道我在這里講他。

【223】You know, I want to use art as a bridge to make people talk to each other.

你知道,我想用藝術(shù)作為橋廊 去讓大家一起交流。

【224】I'm not an activist, I'm just an artist.

我不是一個(gè)積極分子, 我只是一個(gè)藝術(shù)家。

【225】I don't try to tell people what to think.

我不會(huì)告訴大家怎么去想,

【226】I just try to make them think.

我只想讓他們?nèi)ハ搿?/p>

【227】And I really see art, to me, it's like, it's in the process.

而且我看藝術(shù), 對(duì)于我而言,它是存在于過程之中。

【228】That's what's important.

那才是最重要的。

【229】And after this whole project, after everything I showed you, what shook them, what struck them the most, is that I shook their hand.

在整個(gè)項(xiàng)目后, 在我展示給你們的所以東西后, 最讓他們驚訝的, 讓他們牢牢記住的, 是我握了他們的手。

【230】So at the end, they even asked me for a hug.

所以到最后,他們甚至 問我要一個(gè)擁抱。

【231】Now I remember their first question, which was: What is the purpose of your art?

現(xiàn)在我想起了 他們問我的第一個(gè)問題: 你的藝術(shù)有什么意義？

【232】Well, art can change things, but can it change the world?

藝術(shù)可以改變很多東西, 但它可以改變世界嗎？

【233】Or can it change a man?

或者它可以改變一個(gè)人嗎？

【234】Before you answer that question, think, at some point in your life, have you changed?

在你回答之前, 想一想,在你一生間, 你改變過嗎？

【235】And if yes, if you did, why can't they?

如果你的答案是肯定, 如果你改變了, 那么為什么他們不行呢？

【236】Thank you.

謝謝。

【237】Helen Walters: That's amazing, you're amazing.

海倫.沃爾特（Helen Walters）: 這真棒,你真棒。

【238】You also just got back from Ukraine, and I wanted to show us just another piece of your work.

你還剛從烏克蘭回來, 然后我想展示一下你的另一個(gè)作品。

【239】JR: Oh yeah, that was in Ukraine.

JR:噢是的,那是在烏克蘭。

【240】The biggest city in the west side of Ukraine is called Lviv.

在烏克蘭西邊最大的城市叫利沃夫。

【241】And a friend of mine took that photo at the border, he sent it to me, I printed it 150 feet long.

我的一個(gè)朋友在邊界 照了一張照片, 他把它發(fā)給我了, 我把它打出來 150 英尺。

【242】We rolled it as a tarp, walked through the border with it.

我們把它卷了起來, 然后走過了邊境。

【243】It's actually easy to go that way, you know, to enter Ukraine.

其實(shí)過去很簡(jiǎn)單, 你知道,進(jìn)到烏克蘭。

【244】So they were like, "Oh, you're going to go this way? Sure."

他們就是這樣的: “噢,你要往這邊走？好的。”

【245】And then we drove to, you know, I met some people on Instagram, and they came and picked me up in their car.

然后我們開到,你知道, 我在 Instagram 上見到了一些人。 然后他們來 用他們的車來接我,

【246】And then we gathered hundreds of people.

然后我們聚集了幾百人。

【247】We wanted to show Putin's planes who they were shooting out.

我們想向普京的飛機(jī)展示 他們?cè)诿闇?zhǔn)誰。

【248】That little girl is actually safe.

這個(gè)小女孩實(shí)際上很安全,

【249】When she got photographed, she was coming out of the country.

她是在離開國(guó)家時(shí)照的相,

【250】So she's now in Warsaw, and she's OK.

所以她現(xiàn)在在華沙,她很好。

【251】And since then, actually, we're moving this image all around Europe.

從那時(shí)開始,其實(shí), 我們將整個(gè)圖片帶到歐洲各地。

【252】So while TED was happening in the last four days, the image was in Berlin, Dusseldorf, Venice this morning.

所以在 TED 進(jìn)行時(shí), 在過去四天里, 這個(gè)圖片在柏林、杜塞爾多夫, 這個(gè)早上在威尼斯。

【253】And then it will keep traveling and each time, each place, people are gathering by themselves and opening it up.

而且它會(huì)繼續(xù)旅行, 然后每時(shí)每刻,每個(gè)地方, 大家會(huì)主動(dòng)聚集,然后將它展開。

【254】HW: That is amazing, JR, thank you.

HW:這很棒,JR,謝謝你。

【255】JR: Thank you.

JR:謝謝大家。

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